title: Perturbing ongoing conversations about systems and complexity in health services and systems.
authors.affiliation: Northern Ontario School of Medicine, Sudbury, Ontario, Canada. carmelmarymartin@gmail.com
authors.forename: Carmel M
authors.initials: CM
authors.lastname: Martin
authors.forename: Joachim P
authors.initials: JP
authors.lastname: Sturmberg
mesh_terms: D003695:Delivery of Health Care; D006296:Health Services; D013598:Systems Theory